It should have been according to whom and by what metric? Interestingly, TTRPG fans planning to play a Masquerade game need to choose their Clan choice carefully. Hecate, the goddess, has three faces. And WoD suffered from A LOT absurdly convulted explanations. Even the bloodlines that were formerly footnoted under Giovanni still have their own voice and feel in this big grab-bag of necromancy, and that's a very good sign. The Brujah descended from Vampires known for keen ferocity and discipline - turning them into warrior-kings of ages past. Despite being one of the main Clans of the Camarilla Sect, the Brujah in V5 left them for the Anarch Movement, possibly a reflection of their inner fires to bring back glory to the Clan once more. Is it just lazy writing or how all of these bloodlines which got their own unique dicipline, got mixed into singel one ? The Nagaraja used Setite Blood, not Cappadocian. [–]Shakanaka -2 points-1 points0 points 2 days ago (0 children), [–]coduss 4 points5 points6 points 4 days ago (4 children), I had it explained to me as "these were people who worked on 2nd edition and VtR, and had their own view of how Vampire should have proceeded, and when given the oppertunity they decided to push their view on everything rather than working with what they had", [–]onlyinforthemissus 3 points4 points5 points 4 days ago (1 child). Maybe when one of the bloodlines get very powerful again, they might be able to be regonized as it's own thing. [–]Bearbottle0 3 points4 points5 points 4 days ago (9 children). Thankfully, some newcomers might want to stick with some Clans known to acquaint new Kindred easily among their ranks. It has no personality and just shifted stuff from VtR, while somehow even being horrible in the eyes of people who even PLAY VtR apparently (which is funny since V5 is literally JUST VtR shafted into oWoD). VTMAbout V5 Hecata unification (self.WhiteWolfRPG). TTRPG newcomers might appreciate trying the Brujah for their overall balance in powers. [–]ValeriYo72[S] 4 points5 points6 points 4 days ago (2 children). Because you specifically dislike it? None of this is 'holding hands' though, and the joining together is not 'yay we're one big happy family now!' In V5, Blood Sorcery has a lot of branches, each with their own set of spells and intricate Rituals. A static flat DC with no variability to the situation at hand is just garbage. Weren't all Giovanni originally Capadocian Giovanni. The Toreador make seduction and sensation into art. The givanni used to be mere a bloodline before, by their political power they managed to be reconized (socially) as a clan, even thought there were many giovanni members who were tecnichally bloodlines (Dursin, etc) and even capadocian giovanni (who were embraced by capadocians but are loyal to the giovanni). That's a good argument, but those exceptions make the whole thing questionable. Lasombra specialize in manipulating the shadows via Oblivion. Most youngers may not care about those things, but that doesn't mean those thoughts aren't there in the back of many Hecata's heads, and can rise back up when a betrayal happens for personal gain. Reply . [–]PuzzleheadedBear 3 points4 points5 points 3 days ago (0 children). share. [–]Iseedeadnames 4 points5 points6 points 4 days ago* (9 children). V5 writers doesn't recognize this and literally is just CofD as I said time and time again. But those in the Black Hand are a different breed. The V5 hate is just unreasonable, is all. The writers trying to make up excuses for this kind of system changes is how we end up with dumb stuff like the great prank. Rendered by PID 14530 on r2-app-0b865ed2c39beee0d at 2021-02-17 10:03:24.464042+00:00 running 7673918 country code: JP. A unique discipline from each 6 bloodline got mixed and now all of them have it? Many younger Giovanni became disillusioned with methodologies of their elders, such as the way that things like Proxy Kiss went from being an already-disgusting initiation to ghoulhood to a political tool and, in many instances, torture and murder, with internal strife coming from the murder of other Giovanni's perspective childer, among other political 'games'. The Storytelling system is pretty easy and intuitive: roll appropriate attribute+suitable skill and that's your dice pool for the action. It has nothing on the simple and efficient as hell system before it. These socialites use their unique take on Presence to allure NPCs into doing their bidding. Oh please spare the lurid sanctimony. They're all also preparing for the expiration of The Promise, which there are a few things said about in regards to, but nothing major. Some people just can't handle other people liking something different than what they like. Toggle menu visibility. [–]Bearbottle0 3 points4 points5 points 4 days ago (0 children). [–]TheDeezus_19 7 points8 points9 points 4 days ago (0 children), [–]Manuelm4n -1 points0 points1 point 4 days ago (9 children). As if the malkavian clan would really surrender one of their trump cards to appease camarilla. Not sure what you mean by pushing agendas but Paradox is working on Vampire currently. People may hate v5 retcoms, but they should regonize that sometimes the retcom is better than a convulted explanation. It's also worth noting that Giovanni aare a clan because they diablerized Cappadocius. A one-stop shop for all things video games. Well now you're railroaded to carry about this Bella-esque mechanic. [–]Juwelgeist 46 points47 points48 points 4 days ago (11 children). Unfortunately, Vampires need to worry about the threats of both these supernatural creatures and their own fractured Kindred society. Another factor was that the Promise of 1528was rumored to soon be coming to an end after an unspecified 500-year time limit. The Second Inquisition proved their bonafides by killing the most powerful known vampires in the world as well as destroying a place thought invincible to its magical defenses. These can be avoided by those with potent blood, who may reroll certain Discipline-asso… [–]Bearbottle0 5 points6 points7 points 4 days ago (7 children). There's no news of a new version and there shouldn't be honestly, Vampire is the only game they have currently released and Werewolf is still in the oven. Other clans and sects made distinctions about them, the Sabbat should know the difference between Giovanni and Harbingers of Skulls, and I think everyone would agree that Nagaraja are something else. [–]Iseedeadnames -1 points0 points1 point 1 day ago (5 children). They come gifted with Obfuscate, allowing them to hide their presence. After all, they deliberately have to make unique viewpoints towards an already-deep World of Darkness. An example: V20 Dominate. As far as the story of how they got together? just because they’re a clan of death doesnt mean they see things regarding necromancy and mundane death anything like the giovanni or the lamia. You sell the franchise short. Be it economical, politically, or even interms of base humanity. They don't REALIZE these two entities (oWoD and CofD) have different interests and themes they tackle. [–]AccordLands 1 point2 points3 points 4 days ago (0 children). We'll probably never know officially because V5 seems to bent on destroying Bloodline clans as of now. By "recognized as a Clan" you mean Augustus diablerized Cappadocius, got himeself to 3th Generation, made a coup and took control of the Clan. Clan: Please only use clans available so far in v5. -Hey, ALL sidhes reatreat to the dreaming during the shattering and reappeared during moon landing. V20:DA Night Cry (Vitreous Path) Question. They might have created or will create some explanation to it. Good for them if they can enjoy it. I'm honestly curious because no answer seems to make sense here. Worse this garbage Touchstone system is lauded to supposedly give more "roleplay", but what about players who DON'T want Touchstones if it'd be usual for the characters they have to have Touchstones? V5 Dominate is Charisma+Dominate or Manipulation+Dominate. And lore wise, as far as I understand, it was not that they all got together as decided to become BFF. [–]Shakanaka 1 point2 points3 points 2 days ago (0 children). Don't hold your breath for a new ruleset though. [–]ValeriYo72[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 days ago (8 children). The trash called V5 doesn't amount to a single creative bone the previous editions commanded. [–]Rucs3 2 points3 points4 points 4 days ago (0 children). Even worse with this new shitty system, once you have an Amalgam there is no way to get another over your choosing or stack the same level of Amalgam in the same dot like before. All but the Nagaraja were Cappadocian bloodlines, and the Nagaraja could very reasonably have the minor retcon of having used Cappadocian vitae (and Daitya vitae) to transform themselves into vampires. There has been no "retcon" because the writers haven't even touched on the Nagaraja at length at all. Cappadocius saw no need to do so until he realized he would never find his answers alone, long afte… Or maybe you liked the broken 2nd edition, with its average of 6 game supplements every year that just kept stacking rules over rules and clans over clans and that, somehow, still managed to remove depth from the game and make it a modern day D&D? I have a bottle of it in my minibar! That's fine but it has nothing to do with with was being talked about, which is why it got renamed to Oblivion. In turn, perhaps the more thematic Obfuscate might serve the purposes of a newbie playing a Vampire mage. Don't know what to add, [–]TheGentleDominant 1 point2 points3 points 4 days ago (0 children), [–]sanramon9 -1 points0 points1 point 4 days ago (0 children). Despite these circumstances, Malkavian come gifted with supreme senses via Auspex, the ability to hide their presence via Obfuscate, and impose their will on others via Dominate. [–]malkvn 3 points4 points5 points 4 days ago (3 children), Because it's a game mechanic change and not an in world shift beyond the name itself. [–]Shakanaka -3 points-2 points-1 points 2 days ago (6 children). It's like, the basic kind of contextual awareness that informs people that it's a tidge silly to roleplay their vampires as talking up how many dots of Celerity they have, rather than what they can do. You don't see novels or books where NPCs say in game "this guy have lots of celerity" they comment something like "beware of his supernatural speed" or "he has the gift of speed". Harbingers (and to a lesser extent, the lesser number of Cappadocians in the Hecata) function as spies, information brokers and advisers, particularly with the knowledge they have of things like the Sabbat. Losing the clan-specific disciplines simplified the system. And yet, every single discipline has different rules, and actually one different rule with a different roll which every single level. V5 is only trying to fix all those issues created in 2nd edition that no one wanted to correct in Revised or V20. Whereas others might expect … The origin of the clan of death are the Cappadocian, the original clan of death whose …

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